AustralianSpeedway.com Community Forums
 
Go Back   AustralianSpeedway.com Community Forums > Speedway in Australia > Midgets

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #16  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
davidt24's Avatar
Speedway A-List
Real Name: David
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
User #: 1054
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 110
Re: Midgets & Crowds

Quote:
Originally Posted by penrith 1 View Post
I dont think we have ever had NZ Style Superstocks David.Not that I can ever remember.But you know as well as I do. They draw massive crowds ... ...
As much as I don't like to admit it, I think you are on to something. I think for every "open wheel purist" like myself who goes for good clean racing, there are probably in equal (if not greater) number who's main reason for attending is to see the crashes.

The sport would probably have to rationalise the existing non contact classes first, but introducing contact racing may just be the answer.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
KiwiscanFly's Avatar
Member
Real Name: Charles
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
User #: 7004
Location: Weymouth
Posts: 41
Re: Midgets & Crowds

Dont have a problem at Western Springs in Auckland drawing a crowd, some times the gates are closed and cant fit them all in. Its mainly a midget track and promoted well on TV with shows like The Dirt. So there is a formula for successful promotion of speedway possibly could be copied from NZ.
Also the calibre of drivers here add to the package, Pickens and Mosen very successful at the Chilli Bowl, Pickens, Mosen, Insley 1,2 and 3 at the Parramatta 50 lapper, Mosen wins round 7 of the SSS , that might be the problem your drivers aint good enough to draw a crowd.
SMS for more Kiwis and Yanks to save the day,if you drop the 3 race rule there would be more at the AUS title also.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
penrith 1's Avatar
Speedway Pro
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
User #: 1786
Location: Penrith
Age: 46
Posts: 1,365
Re: Midgets & Crowds

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tatnell Fan View Post
Brisbane races them

bis_100130_Stock Cars
There not Superstocks Michael.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
Miss Informed's Avatar
Donna
Real Name: Donna D
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
User #: 407
Location: Sydney
Age: 34
Posts: 17,046
Re: Midgets & Crowds

Quote:
Originally Posted by penrith 1 View Post
There not Superstocks Michael.
We've called them Shopping Trolleys for years!

Apologies to those who race them!
__________________
"Always expect the best and you'll see that the outcome is spontaneously contained in the expectation."


Last edited by Miss Informed; 4 Weeks Ago at 6:22 AM.. Reason: spelling!!
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
HMS 32's Avatar
Platinum Member
Real Name: Mark Harrington
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
User #: 5520
Location: Mt Barker SA
Posts: 326
Re: Midgets & Crowds

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Informed View Post
We've called them Shopping Trolleys for years!

Apologies to those who race them!


Don't forget French onion soup and sour cream !!!

Last edited by Miss Informed; 4 Weeks Ago at 6:23 AM.. Reason: my spelling!
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
penrith 1's Avatar
Speedway Pro
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
User #: 1786
Location: Penrith
Age: 46
Posts: 1,365
Re: Midgets & Crowds

Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiscanFly View Post
Dont have a problem at Western Springs in Auckland drawing a crowd, some times the gates are closed and cant fit them all in. Its mainly a midget track and promoted well on TV with shows like The Dirt. So there is a formula for successful promotion of speedway possibly could be copied from NZ.
Also the calibre of drivers here add to the package, Pickens and Mosen very successful at the Chilli Bowl, Pickens, Mosen, Insley 1,2 and 3 at the Parramatta 50 lapper, Mosen wins round 7 of the SSS , that might be the problem your drivers aint good enough to draw a crowd.
SMS for more Kiwis and Yanks to save the day,if you drop the 3 race rule there would be more at the AUS title also.
They pay bigger prize money in NZ for Midget Racing would they not???. The promoter also pays for your attendance of your drivers from the USA say does he not at the Springs ???
It wont happen here unfortunatly for Midgets by a Promoter I dont believe.
As I have noticed more people overall in NZ attend the Superstock Racing.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
penrith 1's Avatar
Speedway Pro
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
User #: 1786
Location: Penrith
Age: 46
Posts: 1,365
Re: Midgets & Crowds

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Informed View Post
We've called them Shopping Trolleys for years!

Apologies to those who race them!

Awesome!! What shopping centre..I will meet you in the Isle ha ha ha....for some real bash and crash ...
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
KiwiscanFly's Avatar
Member
Real Name: Charles
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
User #: 7004
Location: Weymouth
Posts: 41
Re: Midgets & Crowds

Quote:
Originally Posted by penrith 1 View Post
They pay bigger prize money in NZ for Midget Racing would they not???. The promoter also pays for your attendance of your drivers from the USA say does he not at the Springs ???
It wont happen here unfortunatly for Midgets by a Promoter I dont believe.
As I have noticed more people overall in NZ attend the Superstock Racing.
All correct, Superstocks draw huge crowds, the showgrounds at Palmerston North holds 20,000 people, again when the NZ teams racing is on the gates get closed, tickets are hard to come by.
The key point is speedway is popular and draws crowds when there is good promotion. NZ clearly has a smaller population, same issues with other sports crowd attendances but speedways still gets crowds.
So why cant it happen in AUS
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
Full Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
User #: 10811
Posts: 58
Re: Midgets & Crowds

Having started racing Midgets at Liverpool on bitumen right through till the early 90's I do no what a crowd is and what a promoter can achieve (Mike & Steve Raymond). But even then the Super Sedans V8 were the bigger draw card but not that much more popular. Western Springs is a one off unique set up. Auckland does not have the entertainment diversity of most Australian cities, the track suites midgets, climate and have a look how short there season is etc. Where else in NZ do the midgets draw large crowds certainly not on the South Island. Do not get me wrong I think the Midgets put on the best racing consistently of any motor sport division in the country and without promotion should fill tracks just by word of mouth but they dont. The Super series is fantastic also but people these days want more diversity. As for the competitors paying for there prizemoney well what is new, go enter a super sprint at Lakeside and it will cost you around $200 and you do not even get a trophy. If you think you have the answers I am sure the promoters would love to hear from you! Many should take the time to read the NSW Midget clubs history on their excellent new site.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
User #: 11588
Location: Sydney
Posts: 25
Re: Midgets & Crowds

Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiscanFly View Post
Dont have a problem at Western Springs in Auckland drawing a crowd, some times the gates are closed and cant fit them all in. Its mainly a midget track and promoted well on TV with shows like The Dirt. So there is a formula for successful promotion of speedway possibly could be copied from NZ.
Also the calibre of drivers here add to the package, Pickens and Mosen very successful at the Chilli Bowl, Pickens, Mosen, Insley 1,2 and 3 at the Parramatta 50 lapper, Mosen wins round 7 of the SSS , that might be the problem your drivers aint good enough to draw a crowd.
SMS for more Kiwis and Yanks to save the day,if you drop the 3 race rule there would be more at the AUS title also.
Car trouble by the top Aussi drivers wouldn't have been a factor?

I've seen midget racing at both tracks (Springs / PCR this current season and the meeting a week or so ago at PCR was easy as good.

I know it might be difficult for the drivers but taking a wander through the crowd like at PCR last time can be a simple free form of promotion.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
pontiacsrule's Avatar
Speedway Expert
Real Name: len
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
User #: 3026
Location: caboolture
Posts: 928
Re: Midgets & Crowds

I think that most of you guys are overlooking one important factor, and that is most of the tracks I have travelled to are "Dumps", they havent had a penny spent on them since the Sixties or Seventies,and for the money they charge you get bugger all facilities anyway thats my opinion
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
HMS 32's Avatar
Platinum Member
Real Name: Mark Harrington
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
User #: 5520
Location: Mt Barker SA
Posts: 326
Re: Midgets & Crowds

Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiscanFly View Post
All correct, Superstocks draw huge crowds, the showgrounds at Palmerston North holds 20,000 people, again when the NZ teams racing is on the gates get closed, tickets are hard to come by.
The key point is speedway is popular and draws crowds when there is good promotion. NZ clearly has a smaller population, same issues with other sports crowd attendances but speedways still gets crowds.
So why cant it happen in AUS
Speedcars are the top billing in NZ where as Sprintcars are here !?
Who are the five best sprint car drivers from NZ ????
Lets compare Apples with Apples not Apples with Lamb Roasts !!!

Last edited by HMS 32; 4 Weeks Ago at 12:30 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
Kiwi Midgeteer's Avatar
Platinum Member
Real Name: 'Ernie'
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
User #: 1981
Location: Auckland
Posts: 1,418
Re: Midgets & Crowds

Quote:
Originally Posted by HMS 32 View Post
Speedcars are the top billing in NZ where as Sprintcars are here !?
Who are the five best sprint car drivers from NZ ????
Lets compare Apples with Apples not Apples with Lamb Roasts !!!
Where are the mods when ya need them....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I strongly protest the last comment, everyone knows that apples are better suited to pork roasts!
__________________
Next up:- Mexico 5-7 March
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
Speedway Expert
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
User #: 4310
Posts: 916
Re: Midgets & Crowds

Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiemidgetfan View Post
Same old argument or not, those are the facts. Why when Dave Lander is promoting can he fill a track for midgets and yet when Archerfield or Parramatta try they can't? The simple answer is promotion. Dave Lander is a guy who gets promotion, advertising and all the other marketing aspects.

To try and belittle our arguments with grandiose sweeping statements predicting the end of the sport is daft. You're dead right, times have changed and in this day and age marketing is KING. Without it you will go nowhere. This naturally means there needs to be investment in the sport. Look at the mainstream sports-Swimming, AFL, Rugby League, Cricket, V8 Supercars. Over the last 30 odd years they've invested millions in marketing to the point where they have large TV audiences AND have networks fighting for broadcast rights. A modern example is Netball which in the last couple of years has hit the mainstream big time, to the point where some of ONE HD's netball broadcasts rated higher than some V8 Supercar races on at the same time.

I'm not suggesting that short track racing is going to be the next netball, that's daft and you could be guaranteed that the ecomentalsocialists will stop that. However if NASR did it's job properly and promoted the sport there is no reason why crowds can't be increased drastically.

If you want a quick way to get spectators to at least one race, the answer lies in the Agricultural shows. It's an idea stolen from the USA, but is an idea that works. Starting with the 6 mainland capital shows-the Sydney Royal, Royal Queensland, Royal Adelaide, Royal Melbourne, Perth Royal, Royal Canberra build up a big money race series. As one offs, noise dispensations shouldn't be too much of an issue, and you can be guaranteed to get lots of spectators. It's then up to follow-on marketing to get the on flow to the local tracks.

This sport isn't dead, it's only going to die if we DON'T market it properly.
Advertising is okay in small country towns with one television and radio station but ineffective in a large city such as Sydney where there are at least fifty odd.

The problems associated with speedway began in the 1920s. Word got out speedway was a sport of the future, plenty of money could be made all that was required was to hire out a showground/greyhound track or something similar for a few hours on a Saturday night and lots of money could be made or likewise a track could be built on vacant land awaiting development providing facilities only necessary to make the venue operational and so speedways sprung up everywhere to as far afield as England with enterprising promoters in control.

Now 80 years later things are very much different. Noise, safety, the non availability of land awaiting development, residential housing encroachment on existing speedways and competition for the entertainment dollar make speedway a far less financially viable proposition than has been the case in the past.

The problem is due to the unavailability of suitable venues, the majority of enterprising promoters have now all gone. They took all the profits with them and reinvested nothing back into the sport and as a result speedway does not have a cent in the bank to bless itself with.

The time has now come where speedway requires a National Governing Body that meets all governance requirements so as it can take on the role of regulating, promoting and developing the sport at the one time in a similar fashion to swimming, afl, league and cricket and every other sport.

One governing body to take on the role of guiding the sports destiny as is the case in New Zealand where speedway is reportedly the nations fifth most popular sport. One governing body to accumulate wealth and reinvest this money into owning and operating venues without a reliance on private enterprise investment.

Its going to take a long time to achieve this goal but the longer its delayed the more difficult it becomes.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
DOGBOX's Avatar
Full Member
Real Name: Frank
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
User #: 7660
Location: MACKAY
Posts: 70
Re: Midgets & Crowds

Quote:
Originally Posted by ken dorahy View Post
Advertising is okay in small country towns with one television and radio station but ineffective in a large city such as Sydney where there are at least fifty odd.

The problems associated with speedway began in the 1920s. Word got out speedway was a sport of the future, plenty of money could be made all that was required was to hire out a showground/greyhound track or something similar for a few hours on a Saturday night and lots of money could be made or likewise a track could be built on vacant land awaiting development providing facilities only necessary to make the venue operational and so speedways sprung up everywhere to as far afield as England with enterprising promoters in control.

Now 80 years later things are very much different. Noise, safety, the non availability of land awaiting development, residential housing encroachment on existing speedways and competition for the entertainment dollar make speedway a far less financially viable proposition than has been the case in the past.

The problem is due to the unavailability of suitable venues, the majority of enterprising promoters have now all gone. They took all the profits with them and reinvested nothing back into the sport and as a result speedway does not have a cent in the bank to bless itself with.

The time has now come where speedway requires a National Governing Body that meets all governance requirements so as it can take on the role of regulating, promoting and developing the sport at the one time in a similar fashion to swimming, afl, league and cricket and every other sport.
One governing body to take on the role of guiding the sports destiny as is the case in New Zealand where speedway is reportedly the nations fifth most popular sport. One governing body to accumulate wealth and reinvest this money into owning and operating venues without a reliance on private enterprise investment.

Its going to take a long time to achieve this goal but the longer its delayed the more difficult it becomes.
Isn't this what NASR is supposed to be doing?
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
When Sprintcars could draw crowds..... rjeffreson US Sprintcars 1 Nov 28th 2008 10:26 PM
What would you do to draw crowds to TPCR StevenG General Speedway Stuff 87 Jul 4th 2006 7:02 AM
How can TPCR draw the bigger crowds.. Bizzy029 Around the Tracks 396 Apr 13th 2006 11:17 PM
PCR Midgets 16/4/05 wobbler News & Information 3 Apr 17th 2005 7:27 AM
Qld Midgets 16 Oct wobbler News & Information 0 Oct 17th 2004 2:05 AM


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.3.0
© 2002-2009 AustralianSpeedway.com